Methadone and AAS

[coach]

Does anyone happen to know much about the extra stress put on the system when taking Methadone (for pain) with AAS, and I mean a lot of Methadone. I've had too many injuries and surgeries to mention here but needless to say that and an unfortunate genetic gift of high tolerance make high dosage a necessity. I know it's not a good thing but I would be completely unable to train at all without it. Anyone with an informed opinion would be greatly appreciated.

[gsg09]

Does anyone happen to know much about the extra stress put on the system when taking Methadone (for pain) with AAS, and I mean a lot of Methadone. I've had too many injuries and surgeries to mention here but needless to say that and an unfortunate genetic gift of high tolerance make high dosage a necessity. I know it's not a good thing but I would be completely unable to train at all without it. Anyone with an informed opinion would be greatly appreciated.

We are not to talk about narcotics and/or recreational drugs. Methadone being a narcotic, even if RXed to you by your doc, is something you should probably take up wtih your doc.

[SteroidShaman]

Does anyone happen to know much about the extra stress put on the system when taking Methadone (for pain) with AAS, and I mean a lot of Methadone. I've had too many injuries and surgeries to mention here but needless to say that and an unfortunate genetic gift of high tolerance make high dosage a necessity. I know it's not a good thing but I would be completely unable to train at all without it. Anyone with an informed opinion would be greatly appreciated.

Steroids and recs don't mix.Taking "I mean a lot of methadone" you are going to kill your gains.

[coach]

First I apologize for talking about this subject on here, I thought anything pertaining to AAS was permitted. I don't take it or any other drugs for "recreational" purposes. Most of us who have had to take pain med's for any length of time would probably tell you that they couldn't get high on them if they wanted to. To Shaman, can you tell me how this effects the ability to retain any gains and is there anything I can do to minimize it's effects?

[SteroidShaman]

You still would see gains just not as much.Then again there have been a few well known pro's who took a lot of pain killers and look at them.My main concern would be wearing your nervous system and body in general out.

I would make sure to pay close attention to diet.Get enough protein but at the same time eat enough healthy foods like fruits and vegetables.I'd also drink a lot of cranberry juice, take milk thistle, and a good multivitamin.I'd also make sure to do cardio and to get at least 8 hours of sleep a night to give your body time to recuperate from the demand you are putting on it.

[coach]

Hey Shaman, Thanks a ton for the input and understanding that that was the reason for posting it. People need to get off their high horses and stop stereotyping. Not every person taking this or any other prescribed Narcotic is out for a high. There are people like Montel Williams for instance, who before he even starts his day soon after waking, every day, needs take pure Morphine and countless other medications just to get up, take a shower, eat breakfast and get going. Then, throughout his day, takes more morphine and even smokes pot to help relieve his pain and give him have some kind of appetite otherwise he wouldn't eat. And this isn't rumor or hearsay, he speaks openly about it in his books and also on his Nationally Televised Talk show. Now I'm not comparing myself nor my situation to his. Montel Williams has MS. Do you think he's taking Morphine to get high? Are you going to take away his Marijuana because our backward ass society has deemed it Recreational and void of any Medicinal properties or Medical merit? Tell that to Cancer patient in the midst of recreational Chemotherapy who just threw up his Spleen. And on and on...

I don't mean to get off on a rant here (too late I know) and I know this is one of those subjects like Politics and Religion that a person can't even mention without an army of assholes going on the defensive and loosing their frickin minds (should take a xanax, kidding it's a joke.lol) BUT... That is my point EXACTLY!! I mean every American is entitled to his or her opinion. But before boasting your opinion then having to open mouth to insert foot, do yourself and everyone else a favor educate yourself on the subject it may even change your opinion.

That's why in my original Post I asked for INFORMED OPINION'S. Informed being the key word here. I think that's one of the reasons the creator's of this site created it. To encourage all of us to share knowledge and educate one another, not just to get a source. If that were the only reason for this site they wouldn't have given us forums like this one to discuss, ask, answer, learn and educate.

Shaman is the perfect example of what I'm talking about here. He posted a comment; and when I replied to him asking to explain his opinion he was able to give me reasons why he said what he did and backed it up.

Let's all try to keep an open mind when someone asks a question that happens to mention a touchy subject. We just might learn something.

[Husker]

Its OK to ask that. Hes not asking how to get Pain Meds, so get off his ass.

I feel for you Bro. I have a issue with Pain Meds myself. I am in the process of getting on Suboxone to get off the shit right now. I have a chronic pain condition that necessitates the DALILY use of Pain Meds. I could not get out of bed, work or function without it. I am gettig off this shit because it has fucked up my life to some extent. I am looking for something else to get me through the day. It will suck bigtime, but it will get done.

So...to answer your original quesiton, I am not sure about Methadone, but I have made incredible gains taking pain meds day in and day out for two years straight. As long as it doesnt fuck up for liver and you stay away from orals, it can be done. I hope you can ultimately get off them, but I hold no ill will or stereotypes for your situation. You are correct, people have NO IDEA what so ever what we have to go through. Its a battle. Good luck.

[angelo212]

I been on methadone for years 120mg. It will not affect your gains at all. You'll be a beast in the gym like me. It is a great pain killer. I'm on Suboxone now. Have you considered that for pain? I use it for the other purpose it was meant for.

[paintslinger4u]

hey husker..suboxone is very expensive..i personally think suboxone is alot easier to live with than methadone..no clinics to go to and you see a doctor in an office which is good for privacy...also suboxone has a peak mg in it for you cant get high since it has an antagonist in it..if you decide to use on this med you will go through withdrawls as the drug naloxone (the antagonist) will fight the opiates you injested at the receptor site in your brain...thats for sure...it seems like that alot of people on this boards who take aas have also had an addiction problem to something else in the past...im sure you have seen this too..

[Husker]

yes, it does seem that the BB community is rife with addiction issues. I have never done elicit drugs ever, only the pain stuff for legitimate reasons. But...they took over my life. Double edged sword with those things. They make it possible to function, but they also have a very ugly side. At the time, I thought it was worth it. Now...not so much. The trianing over the years has killed my body. Mostly for the good, but as I got older things started hurting all the time. My back became problematic and the necessitated the pain meds. As an update...I am totally off them now with the help of the Suboxone. All I can say is Im finally free of that shit. It has been a wonder drug. I get it cheap through my insurance, so no big deal there. I should only need to be on it for a few months tops. I dont why other BB have gotten into the shit they do. I sure the lifestyle plays a part. Big bodies, sexy women, bad habits = bad choices. I didnt go there thank god, but as stated, I had my own demons.

[burnin69]

why workout so heavy with all those injuries

[small guy]

Been on Suboxone for about a year and have cycled on and off it. I can tell you that I believe that it does have a negative effect on your gains! I've gained 10-12 pounds more when clean of everything except AS.

[Husker]

why workout so heavy with all those injuries

Not sure who you were talking to here, but to answer....I dont know ANY other way to train. Heavy is how I lift and I train with as much intensity I can bring to the gym. I am not there to look at myself in the mirror. I am there to lift weights, plain and simple. When I started this WAY back when, BB's were strong motherfuckers. Now... there are so many ways to skin a cat when on gear, people could probably get big by masterbating all day. I idolized guys like Lee haney, Gary Strydom, Phil Hill, Arnold to some extent, and they were all really strong at least to me. My favorite BB's today are the strongest BB's.. I like to train to get strong and get strong to train- its all the same to me. So...to make a very short story really long, I dont think I could walk into a gym and go through the motions. Why do it? If I get hurt, or incur an injury, that is part of the game.

[small guy]

I work hard to get to my goal, and then workout lighter to maintain what I have gained!

[kbtoy]

I know this isn't the answer you were looking for however. Opiates increase GH release in the body, I don't know why but they do. So you should see some kind of benefit that way. Thats why I don't understand how opiates are also catabolic at the same time. I'm not sure if it's dose dependent or what I would have to study more about it, I just remember reading about it before.
As far as methadone and AAS go I don't think it would inhibit gains too much. I'm sure it is to a point but you have to ask yourself which would you rather do? Live with the pain and maybe add a few more lbs of muscle or take the methadone and be pain free?

[onzero]

opiates suppress natural testosterone production.

methadone in particular at high dosages does this pretty severely, it is very likely that you are hypogonadal.

however if you involve AAS this point is null and void as you will be far above physiological levels...

this may make it difficult to recover however and likely you will have some permanent level of suppression from the methadone alone.

[biancoz]

why want to take that shit methadone and oders opium derivated medicine are for people wants to quit with heroin use.

[gator_mclusky]

You'll be fine using your Methadone with gear. Many Pros take Nubain all the time to deal with muscle soreness and aches and pains ffrom all the heavy lifting.

gator

[Surveyor]

...Most of us who have had to take pain med's for any length of time would probably tell you that they couldn't get high on them if they wanted to...

I'll second this. I can take 5 Vicodin 5/500's and not even feel them...

[angelo212]

A word of warning. Never ever ever ever take nubain while on methadone or any opiate. You will go into full blown withdrawls. I been there.

[biancoz]

I take subbutex (buprenorfina) you in usa call it suboxone and haven't positive effect for growing up....i want to quit this crap asap.

@angelo : are you italian bro?