Testosterone-Only Cycle COMPLETE

[misterbigg]

Just an example of the high quality information you will find as a paying member. Unbiased accurate reporting from friendly experienced folks.

It is universally recognized that a testosterone-only cycle is the most appropriate choice for a steroid novice' first cycle. In fact, testosterone-only cycles may be repeated several times (with appropriate time off in between) with great results, before there is a need to go further. Here is a complete guide to a testosterone-only cycle that deals with side effects and recovery.

A good cycle philosophy is to get blood levels up right away, keep them as stable as possible, and then when the cycle is ready to end, get it all out of your system as quickly as possible. In my opinion this speeds recovery of the HPTA. While this is not good for bodybuilders who are above their natural limit (they have to be always-on), its great for ordinary people who just want to do a cycle once or twice per year to put on mass quickly or experience the other positive benefits of steroids.

While long esters like cypionate or enanthate are convenient from a comfort perspective (fewer injections) it takes a while to get it out of your system so very often PCT is delayed or done incorrectly.

Here is an example testosterone only cycle that uses long esters for most of the cycle, until the end where short esters are used to keep levels up to the last injection and then exogeneous test levels drop off dramatically. The number of "painful prop" injections are kept down to a minimum. Each muscle only gets one painful injection, and the number of muscles is kept down so you only have to use deltoids and outer quads (the least painful and safest off-glute sites).

This cycle uses a front-load injection to get levels up quickly. The usual formula for long esters is three to four times the normal injection. So if you planned on doing 200mg of enanthate every 3 days, the first injection should be 600mg (triple). A drawback of a large initial injection is that if intolerable side effects manifest themselves, the user will have to wait a long time before the testosterone clears.

Therefore, the front-load technique is only appropriate for those who have some familiarity with the way their body reacts to testosterone.

Users who are completely new to injecting testosterone should first experiment by taking a total of three 100mg testosterone propionate injections, spaced every other day. If no side effects are manifested up to four days past the last injection, then proceed with the cycle as planned.

Fifteen Week Testosterone Cycle COMPLETE

For this cycle you will need:

Testosterone Enanthate, 20ml @ 250mg/ml
Testosterone Propionate, 10ml @ 100mg/ml
HCG, 5000IU (and bacteriostatic water)
Proviron, 208 tablets @ 25mg
Nolvadex, 104 tablets @ 20mg
Aromasin, 35 tablets @ 25mg
Arimidex, 35 tablets @ 1mg
Appropriate syringes and needles

(Total street value approximately $750)

The first 76 days are on-cycle and the 28 days following are the PCT days.

This is the testosterone dosing schedule:

Day 0, 1000mg enanthate, two injections split between left and right outer quadriceps
Day 4, 250mg enanthate, left deltoid
Day 8, 250mg enanthate, right deltoid
Day 12, 250mg enanthate, left outer quadriceps
Day 16, 250mg enanthate, right outer quadriceps
Day 20, 250mg enanthate, left deltoid
Day 24, 250mg enanthate, right deltoid
Day 28, 250mg enanthate, left outer quadriceps
Day 32, 250mg enanthate, right outer quadriceps
Day 36, 250mg enanthate, left deltoid
Day 40, 250mg enanthate, right deltoid
Day 44, 250mg enanthate, left outer quadriceps
Day 48, 250mg enanthate, right outer quadriceps
Day 52, 250mg enanthate, left deltoid
Day 56, 250mg enanthate, right deltoid
Day 60, 100mg propionate, left outer quadriceps
Day 63, 100mg propionate, right outer quadriceps
Day 66, 125mg propionate, left deltoid
Day 69, 125mg propionate, right deltoid
Day 71, 50mg propionate, right gluteus
Day 73, 50mg propionate, left gluteus
Day 75, 50mg propionate, right gluteus
Day 76, Begin Post-Cycle Therapy
...
Day 103, End

This is the equivalent of 437mg of testosterone per week.

Here is a graph of approximate blood serum levels of each ester. Note that Test P 1 refers to a gluteus injection whereas Test P 2 refers to a site injection (deltoid or outer quadriceps).

http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=315&d=1226459070

In addition, use:

250IU HCG starting on the fourth day after the first testosterone injection and every four days afterwards until the last testosterone injection. Using HCG during the cycle in this manner preserves testicular form and function and makes it easier to return the body to normal afterwards.

50mg Proviron per day from the first day and continuing for four weeks after the last testosterone injection.

25mg Aromasin per day starting one week before your last testosterone injection and continuing four weeks after the last testosterone injection.

20mg Nolvadex per day for four weeks starting with the last testosterone injection.

If you start to feel symptoms of Gynecomastia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gynecomastia) ("gyno") immediately start taking 20mg Nolvadex per day until the last testosterone injection, and follow the dosing schedule for Nolvadex as described above. For future cycles, use Arimidex at 1mg every other day from the first day of the cycle and continuing until you begin taking Aromasin one week before the last testosterone injection.

The main part of the cycle (the middle section when you are taking 250mg shots) can be extended to suit your tastes or desired size goals. If you extend the cycle make sure to have the right amount of steroids and medications. Don't go for too long though because long term use of HCG can desensitize the testes and make post-cycle recovery difficult again. Twenty weeks would be the top end of the range of cycle lengths.

If you add Nandrolone or Trenbolone to your cycle be aware that they do not play well with Nolvadex, you will need additional drugs and research to handle all the possibilities. That is beyond the scope of this article.

You can always use this as the base of a cycle and add other compounds as needed, or adjust the dosages proportionally.

Note that these are my opinions based on my experience, other members' experience, and a composite of various sources of information on the Internet. As such, do your own research and don't make assumptions. Comments and constructive criticisms are always welcome.

Drug Profiles:

Testosterone Enanthate (http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-Enanthate.php")

Testosterone Propionate (http://www.steroid.com/Testosterone-propionate.php)

HCG (http://www.steroid.com/HCG.php)

Proviron (http://www.steroid.com/proviron.php)

Nolvadex (http://www.steroid.com/nolvadex.php)

Aromasin (http://www.steroid.com/aromasin.php)

Arimidex (http://www.steroid.com/arimidex.php)

References:

My PCT Protocol
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/classics/47024-my-pct-protocol.html

Rationale for the Use of Aromasin with Tamoxifen During Post Cycle Therapy
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroids-bodybuilding-articles/82939-rationale-use-aromasin-tamoxifen-during-post-cycle-therapy.html

Everything That's Wrong With Your PCT
http://www.trainwiser.com/f180/everything-s-wrong-your-pct-1494/

Tamoxifen citrate increases expression of progesterone receptor
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/classics/88548-tamoxifen-citrate-increases-expression-progesterone-receptor.html

Proviron, all you need to know
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroids-bodybuilding-articles/10-proviron-all-you-need-know-part-1-a.html

[juaneye]

1 gram on first day? :eek:

[misterbigg]

1 gram on first day? :eek:

Yeah keep in mind its a long ester so only a little over 6% of that will be available in the blood stream at first. The graph shows the approximated serum availability of the testosterone.

Compare that with testosterone propionate, which has almost 28% of the initial injection available in the blood stream within the first 24 hours.

Or testosterone suspension which is at least 50% (or close to 100%? not sure about that one).

So clearly not all "grams" are created equal.

In reality, only part of each injection is available right away. The rest is available during the days that follow. To figure out the true weekly amount, we only need to look at the middle of the cycle, which is 250mg testosterone enanthate every four days. Here's the math:

250mg / 4 days = 62.5mg per day

62.5mg per day * 7 days = 437.5mg per week

So even in the first week although we are doing 1,250mg total injection we are still getting only 437.5mg of active testosterone. But its consistent, for all eleven weeks of the cycle you are getting 437.5mg in each week, and the levels are fluctuating as little as possible. Obviously we could do even better with daily injections but this is for beginners.

Now what would happen if we replaced that 1,000mg first injection with a 250mg injection? Check it out:

http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=317&d=1226535272

Now it takes 5 weeks (35 days) just to get the cycle up to full power!

This is why people use orals like dbol for the first 4 weeks. It is to fill in the gap while the test ramps up.

It is my opinion that it is better to just slam the serum levels of testosterone up to full speed right away. It takes time for the body to adapt the physiological changes that increased testosterone provides. By front loading and getting levels up to working amounts right away, you eliminate the lag time and get physiological changes happening right away. I think this makes the cycle more productive.

[deejelkins]

Great thread bigg. Pretty close to the cycle I am just finishing. I like the frontloading that you show. I will try this in the spring and see how it goes. Thanks a lot.

[Birdman]

Geeze Louise, MisterBigg! That is great info!. I really like the blood serum charts. As a graphic designer I understand info better when it is more visual.

I will be starting a very basic Dbol/Test-E cycle soon. Wish I'd of seen this earlier.

Birdman

[misterbigg]

Beginners might want to shoot 100mg to 300mg of testosterone propionate to see how they respond before starting this cycle. There is enough in a 10ml vial to do this test, and still follow the cycle above.

[JRKO]

Im notsure I agree with the one gram the first day either but hey if it works for you its good. you must have put alot of effort and research into this it was a good read. I have seen your other log to.

[Methyl M]

what is the point of tapering near the end? You are still shut down.

Also, I dont like the pct at all.. I would use simply nolvadex.. both hcg and proviron are not good ideas imo for pct, you can use both during cycle no problem

[misterbigg]

what is the point of tapering near the end? You are still shut down.

Also, I dont like the pct at all.. I would use simply nolvadex.. both hcg and proviron are not good ideas imo for pct, you can use both during cycle no problem

There is no tapering near the end, its a switch to fast acting esters. If you look at the chart you can see that while the long ester is slowly going away, the short esters are kicking blood levels up. Finally after the last injection you see blood levels fall very quickly.

I wasn't clear enough in my description for HCG, it is intended that HCG is used during the cycle and not afterwards. I will correct it.

[misterbigg]

1 gram on first day? :eek:

There is definitely a drawback to this method, but only if you are a first time user. I have updated the cycle plan to point this out. There is enough testosterone propionate in the 10ml vial so that a first time user could try a couple of 100mg testosterone propionate injections before starting the cycle to see how their body reacts and still have enough for the end of the cycle.

On the other hand if you have already used testosterone before and you know what to expect, 1000mg of testosterone enanthate or testosterone cypionate up front is completely fine. You wouldn't want to use 1000mg of propionate or suspension though. It depends on the ester.

[misterbigg]

UPDATED Changed the wording for use of HCG

ADDED Warning for first time users

ADDED Protocol for first time users to determine sensitivity to testosterone side effects

[misterbigg]

How to read the graphs

The graphs show, on a per day basis, the estimated amount of the steroid which is actually available for use. When you inject an estered testosterone (for example, testosterone cypionate, testosterone enanthate, or testosterone propionate), not all of the steroid is available for immediate use. Compare this with testosterone suspension, for example, which is processed immediately, producing instant results.

When you inject, a certain amount is available immediately. As time passes, less and less is available. The amount of time after which only half of the initial amount is available is called the half-life. The half life is affected not only by the choice of ester (long esters have longer half lives) but also the place where you inject. For example, injections in the gluteus are processed twice as quickly as injections elsewhere.

Here is an example of the amount of availability per day, for a 1000mg testosterone enanthate injection in the quad or deltoid:

http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=320&d=1226629065

As you can see, 60mg of testosterone is available right away, and the amount drops. After 10 days (the half life of testosterone enanthate when administered in the quadriceps) the amount is half, or 30mg.

It takes quite a while for all of the testosterone to go away.

Now lets look at the same 1000mg injection, followed by a 250mg injection four days later:

http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=321&d=1226629073

After the first injection you can see the level drop over the next few days. But then we take the second shot and we get back up to a little over 60mg available.

If we continue to take 250mg injections every four days, we can get pretty even blood levels:

http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=322&d=1226629646

The problem is that after the last injection, the testosterone takes a long time to go away. So you aren't getting all the strength benefits, but your natural testosterone is still suppressed. Estrogen, which has been built up through aromatization, is now relatively more abundant than testosterone. This can create bad side effects if not treated. This is why gyno often occurs at the end of a cycle when ancillary drugs are not used.

One way to fix this is to take some testosterone propionate injections while the testosterone enanthate is wearing off. This keeps our levels up, extending the cycle. Since propionate has a much shorter half life, our blood levels will drop rapidly after the last propionate injection.

Here is the same cycle, 1000mg of testosterone enanthate, followed by 250mg testosterone enanthate every four days, with the end of the cycle formed by taking 100mg, 100mg, 125mg, and 125mg of testosterone propionate spaced three days apart:

http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=323&d=1226629978

The light blue line shows the testosterone enanthate wearing off, while the yellow lines show the portion of total testosterone in the blood that came from the propionate. As you can see, the cycle is extended past the last enanthate injection. Blood levels fall rapidly (the black line) after the last propionate injection.

But we can do even better. We know that injections in the gluteus are metabolized twice as fast as those in other muscles. We can add three shots of propionate in the gluteus and make a perfect cycle.

Here is the same cycle, with three 50mg testosterone propionate injections in the gluteus administered every other day, starting two days after the last deltoid/quad injection of propionate. This graph is identical to the one in the original cycle plan:

http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=315&d=1226459070

The magenta line shows the contribution of testosterone from the gluteus injections. It keeps the blood levels fairly high, extending the productive part of the cycle by almost a week.

After the last gluteus injection, you can see how rapidly blood levels fall. This makes post cycle recovery much easier because there is less exogenous testosterone floating around, and for a shorter length of time.

[Babybull]

what if u are going to do a similar cycle but using sustanon instead of test e or cyp

[misterbigg]

what if u are going to do a similar cycle but using sustanon instead of test e or cyp

They are all largely the same. For sustanon you would want to shoot every three days (i.e. two days in between injections)

[noncarbonated]

fantastic post, i especially like the fancy graph.... would you still plan on doubling up for the first sust inject?- considering sust contains some short esters

[misterbigg]

fantastic post, i especially like the fancy graph.... would you still plan on doubling up for the first sust inject?- considering sust contains some short esters

For sustanon you can shoot every 3 days (2 days without shots in between), and do double the dose for the first three shots. For example, 500mg, then 500mg, then 500mg, then 250mg repeating. This is equal to 583mg of test per week. Note this is for non-gluteus site injections only!

Same deal with the propionate though you want to use propionate to keep the cycle going while the long esters dwindle.

Here's a chart showing the total testosterone from shooting every 3 days, doing double doses the first three injections and single doses afterwards. The contribution from each ester is displayed (Isocanoate, Decanoate, Propionate, and Phenylpropionate):

http://thesourcecheck.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=325&d=1226705247

I would never do a cycle containing injectables without first planning the dosing schedule in a spreadsheet or similar calculator. If you don't know how to work Excel, you can play with this online calculator:

http://www.roidcalc.com

There's an option to create a graph but its not quite as fancy.

[noncarbonated]

hell yeah thanks bro!

[FortyTillFive]

Looks Ok,

but the ancillaries are a little bit overblown IMO

[misterbigg]

Looks Ok,

but the ancillaries are a little bit overblown IMO

Specifics? They aren't always used...there is enough Nolvadex there to starting using it during the cycle if gyno shows up.

You could get by with less most of the time but to be safe, everything needs to be on hand. Once you know if you are prone to estrogenic sides then you will have an idea of what you really need. This cycle was all-inclusive.

[coach]

I'm just starting a test-suspension, D-bol routine and I want to do it for quick mass. The PAIN that everyone is talking about is really nothing. I mean you feel it, it burns a little but you just need to inject it slowly. You guy's got me confused here as to which way is better. I want to know how much I should be doing at the start, then get up to 1000mg/week.

[misterbigg]

I'm just starting a test-suspension, D-bol routine and I want to do it for quick mass. The PAIN that everyone is talking about is really nothing. I mean you feel it, it burns a little but you just need to inject it slowly. You guy's got me confused here as to which way is better. I want to know how much I should be doing at the start, then get up to 1000mg/week.

Keep in mind that none of what I wrote applies to testosterone suspension. I agree, the testosterone suspension pain is not really that bad. I mix it with liquid vitamin b-12 USP (comes in a sterile stoppered vial) to reduce the sting.

I don't think a cycle based only testosterone suspension is productive.

If you can tolerate a lot of testosterone and you aren't too young then I think what you want is a cycle of testosterone propionate (injected daily), with a shot of suspension an hour before each workout. Plus the d-bol you planned on taking.

[misterbigg]

No sticky?

[Hard2Gain]

Great thread. Wish I would have seen this before I started my cycle. I ended up running the following:

Test C 500mg/wk for 12 weeks
Dbol 25mg/ed for 4 weeks
Adex as needed
HCG starting on week 4 EOD
Ndex for PCT

Front loading w/ Dbol rocked though I disliked the lower back pumps and am glad to be off of it at this point.

[greatwhitepike]

Bump

[diesel dan]

Very good read and planning out my first cycle....was lead her by ^^this guy because I asked about using prop to start a cycle but at the end also is very interesting...so wit one vial of prop and 2 of enanth...how long would that cycle come out to be? I was shooting for a 10 week one but Now I am under the impression I would either need to use less of my test e or just make my cycle longer...but as my first one....that doesnt seem to be a generally recomendded idea

[10brandonr]

I don't like the idea of frontloading- don't think it really works. I like kickstarting and closing with prop- but don't suggest kickstarting with prop for first-timers- although I support closing with it before PCT. Also Proviron for first timers is unnecessary and proviron during PCT is a no-no.

[BAM]

I don't like the idea of frontloading- don't think it really works. I like kickstarting and closing with prop- but don't suggest kickstarting with prop for first-timers- although I support closing with it before PCT. Also Proviron for first timers is unnecessary and proviron during PCT is a no-no.

Agreed, just said pretty much the same in the other thread lol. Keep a first cycle as simple as possible:)

[diesel dan]

^^leaning toward aggreeance with you guys

that front load theory seems not to be plauisble.. in theory it does..but in reality not so much

very intrigued by the prop idea tho..now im gonna go back to my thread and see what people said..but going to dig deeper into the prop idea possibly for my first cycle (most likely not) its VERY intruiging

[greatwhitepike]

A drawback of a large initial injection is that if intolerable side effects manifest themselves, the user will have to wait a long time before the testosterone clears.

[B]Therefore, the front-load technique is only appropriate for those who have some familiarity with the way their body reacts to testosterone.

Users who are completely new to injecting testosterone should first experiment by taking a total of three 100mg testosterone propionate injections, spaced every other day. If no side effects are manifested up to four days past the last injection, then proceed with the cycle as planned.

Everything That's Wrong With Your PCT
http://www.trainwiser.com/f180/everything-s-wrong-your-pct-1494/

Proviron, all you need to know
http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroids-bodybuilding-articles/10-proviron-all-you-need-know-part-1-a.html

I think it's all been said

[21p]

So what if I wanted to get bigger but not as big as, say, a bodybuilder? How would you put on 10 lbs instead of 20? My main intention with AAS isn't necessarily to get bulked out, but rather have the test levels of a 17-18 year old. This may be too general a question.

[diesel dan]

So what if I wanted to get bigger but not as big as, say, a bodybuilder? How would you put on 10 lbs instead of 20? My main intention with AAS isn't necessarily to get bulked out, but rather have the test levels of a 17-18 year old. This may be too general a question.

Take natural testosterone boosters? take zinc eat oysters and things like that? i dont see what 20 pounds of muscle would hurt to have though :)

[10brandonr]

I'm not sure why you posted this here. But steroids don't make you big. Training makes you big. So ultimately how "big" you get is up to how you lift, eat, and exercise. I'm not sure but maybe what your looking for is testosterone replacement therapy. Do a search and you should be able to find plenty on it.

[Bigbench]

So what if I wanted to get bigger but not as big as, say, a bodybuilder? How would you put on 10 lbs instead of 20? My main intention with AAS isn't necessarily to get bulked out, but rather have the test levels of a 17-18 year old. This may be too general a question.

In all honesty, you will NEVER be as big as a pro bodybuilder. It takes years and even decades of all out dedication to be like that. Their entire lives revolve around it. If you are just looking to put on a few lbs, then you will never need to worry about being like them or too big

[4string]

In all honesty, you will NEVER be as big as a pro bodybuilder. It takes years and even decades of all out dedication to be like that. Their entire lives revolve around it. If you are just looking to put on a few lbs, then you will never need to worry about being like them or too big

yea man, one cycle isn't going to turn you into a pro. not even close brother man

[diesel dan]

yea man, one cycle isn't going to turn you into a pro. not even close brother man

unfortunately:(

my pet peev is when femals say they dont want to lift weights in the gym because they dont want to get too big and manly...guys spend so much time TRYING to get big and alot cant do it...so girls who dont try will? and with the wrong hormonal balance!!!:mad:

Rant over..thread derailment also over sorry OP..but for real guys lets not jack this really nice thread to that guys random post

[Bigbench]

Rant over..thread derailment also over sorry OP..but for real guys lets not jack this really nice thread to that guys random post

You do realize this thread is over a year old right? ;)

[headrottie]

You do realize this thread is over a year old right? ;)


Not if you start reading on post # 24. :D

[greatwhitepike]

Regardless, it's had over 2700 views.

[diesel dan]

You do realize this thread is over a year old right? ;)


maybe when I first lookde at it..but no I didnt but still random stuff takes away from its ..i dont know ..purpose?

Regardless, it's had over 2700 views.

yea cause its gooood

[diesel dan]

so what would a more detailed dosing protocol be for the prop in the beginning..and why would one inject prop at the end 100/100/125/125/50/50/50? from 100 ,spike up..and then drop way lower?

[diesel dan]

so what would a more detailed dosing protocol be for the prop in the beginning..and why would one inject prop at the end 100/100/125/125/50/50/50? from 100 ,spike up..and then drop way lower?

bump for this question

[Bigbench]

Some will lower the prop doses slowly in the begininf of a cycle to compensate for the rising test levels (longer acting building up at the same time) but to lower the dose at the end honestly has no real barring as the longer esters are tapering themselves down on their own and your body does not recognize AMOUNTS of AAS before restarting proper HPTA, it notice exogenous amounts in all quantities

[diesel dan]

Some will lower the prop doses slowly in the begininf of a cycle to compensate for the rising test levels (longer acting building up at the same time) but to lower the dose at the end honestly has no real barring as the longer esters are tapering themselves down on their own and your body does not recognize AMOUNTS of AAS before restarting proper HPTA, it notice exogenous amounts in all quantities

my question was why he had it at 100, than up to 125, than down to 50.. that is what confused me.

From my understanding would following regular test prop dosing protcol such as 100 eod or 50 ed at the end be fine?
or is that not standard test prop protocol because it only amounts to 350 mg/week (i just realized that)

[Bigbench]

my question was why he had it at 100, than up to 125, than down to 50.. that is what confused me.

From my understanding would following regular test prop dosing protcol such as 100 eod or 50 ed at the end be fine?
or is that not standard test prop protocol because it only amounts to 350 mg/week (i just realized that)

No, you are right. Why the doses changed that way dont make sense. I was just explaining why some do change doses around at points in the cycle.
And yea, that dose will be fine to run bro

[diesel dan]

No, you are right. Why the doses changed that way dont make sense. I was just explaining why some do change doses around at points in the cycle.
And yea, that dose will be fine to run bro

in the beginning 3 weeks as well?

[greatwhitepike]

my question was why he had it at 100, than up to 125, than down to 50.. that is what confused me.

From my understanding would following regular test prop dosing protcol such as 100 eod or 50 ed at the end be fine?
or is that not standard test prop protocol because it only amounts to 350 mg/week (i just realized that)

My impression for dosing the prop like this was too somehow make the lowering amounts of long the ester a sharper down curve?

ie on the first doses of prop at 100 mg the test E is quite abundant in the system as it continues to drop add a bit more prop and then drop the prop levels at the very end to allow for imediate start of PCT but I really don't know.

Look at the diagram to see the total test levels are kept high as the long ester leaves slowly and drops fast after stopping the prop

I wish OP was still around to comment on the matter

[diesel dan]

where is he? hes alifetime member is he not?:confused:

[Bigbench]

in the beginning 3 weeks as well?

The ONLY reason to taper doses would be if you were running it at the begining to kick start a slower acting test and you dont want total levels to get too high. In that case, you could start doses high and then each following week cut back a small amount. But, that is really not needed if running for 3 weeks. And you dont want to do that at the end because if you lower your dose then you are just allowing your body to become less anabolic as your test levels drop which is not going to help when coming off at all

[diesel dan]

The ONLY reason to taper doses would be if you were running it at the begining to kick start a slower acting test and you dont want total levels to get too high. In that case, you could start doses high and then each following week cut back a small amount. But, that is really not needed if running for 3 weeks. And you dont want to do that at the end because if you lower your dose then you are just allowing your body to become less anabolic as your test levels drop which is not going to help when coming off at all

so would you recommend 1 X 10 mL vial of test prop 100mg/mL...that would last right below three weeks? at 50 ED since last test E inject? making it a 13 week cycle (-1 day)..

when would PCT commence after the prop is done..next day or two?

[Bigbench]

so would you recommend 1 X 10 mL vial of test prop 100mg/mL...that would last right below three weeks? at 50 ED since last test E inject? making it a 13 week cycle (-1 day)..

when would PCT commence after the prop is done..next day or two?

Yea, that will be fine

[fryzway]

i want to bring this thread back to life. LOL. Would it be better to Kick start with PROP say at 100mg EOD for the first 3wks rather than front load with 1000mg of TE and then end the cycle at the same dosage of PROP 100mg EOD for the last 3wks instead of tapering ? Also you could shoot the PROP with the ENTH on say M,F in the same syringe right? Would 100mg eod of PROP be too much with the 500mg/wk of ENANTHATE for a second cycle ? Could all PROP be dropped to 50mg EOD both beginning and end ?

[komodoD]

that wouldnt be very much prop per week

[diesel dan]

i want to bring this thread back to life. LOL. Would it be better to Kick start with PROP say at 100mg EOD for the first 3wks rather than front load with 1000mg of TE and then end the cycle at the same dosage of PROP 100mg EOD for the last 3wks instead of tapering ? Also you could shoot the PROP with the ENTH on say M,F in the same syringe right? Would 100mg eod of PROP be too much with the 500mg/wk of ENANTHATE for a second cycle ? Could all PROP be dropped to 50mg EOD both beginning and end ?

This is what I was going to do..100 EOD for first 3 weeks and 3 week at the end (2 weeks for enanthate to clear) and one week of just prop so im as clear as possible once I stop.

[21p]

Bigbench, I ran this cycle and have thoroughly enjoyed every minute of it. Thanks for the guidelines. Here's my problem- I made a mistake and injected test-e instead of test prop for the drawdown phase. I started to get hot flashes and realized what I had done. So.... I injected a shot of 125mg test prop and it went away in 3 hours or so. Where do I go from here?

[Bigbench]

Im glad things went well for you. And dont worry, your not in any trouble. You have two choices, you can just let your test levels decline to start PCT or just start your prop now and use it for 2-3 weeks until your ready to start PCT.

[21p]

lol that's easy.... second option.

[Iron.E]

You don't need a second opinion, big bench is one of the most reputable members on this board...

The only thing I'm skeptical about with this cycle is running Proviron through PCT... from what I've gathered this would be ill-advised.

[Bigbench]

You don't need a second opinion, big bench is one of the most reputable members on this board...

The only thing I'm skeptical about with this cycle is running Proviron through PCT... from what I've gathered this would be ill-advised.

VERY VERY VERY good point! While studies have shown low doses of proviron to have little to no effect on HPTA function, all tests were conducted with those with perfectly functioning HPTAs and NOT people with suppressed ones from exogenous hormone use. Be smart and cut it out prior to PCT

[jsarrow]

wow great info!