Let's talk about Testosterone Suspension.....

[gator_mclusky]

I have to say that this is tied with Sostenon for my favorite Testosterone. For some reason I just get better results with Sostenon when stacked with my bread and butter Winstrol BUT Suspension has its place as well.....
That being said no other Test can give the quick results in size and strength like Test Suspension. Seems noone had it the last few yrs but is making a comeback. I cant say enough about it. It hits quick, it hits hard and not only do you gain weight very quickly but ya get cock strong and libido is through the roof. Prollem is those gains can be easily lost. Its a fun ride while one is on though!
I got this that Sean USMC got off the net and its an excellent read:

this is what i was reading......Testosterone suspension is an injectable preparation containing testosterone (no ester) in a water base. Although it may contain testosterone without the benefit of an ester, and contrary to popular belief, the microcrystals of this injectable will sustain a maintained testosterone release for 2-3 days. Clearly the suspension we see today is not the basic water plus testosterone design used in the 1940"s. And since the drug will not leave circulation in a matter of hours, it is obviously useful. Among bodybuilders, "suspension" is known to be an extremely potent mass agent. It is often ranked as the most powerful injectable steroid available, resulting in an incredibly rapid gain of muscle mass and strength. This is largely due to the very fast action of this drug, as the water-based steroid will begin to enter the blood stream almost immediately after an injection is given. Unlike longer esters such as enanthate or cypionate which take weeks for blood levels to reach maximiun theraputic levels, with suspension it is just a matter of days. Clearly the anabolic effect of this testosterone will be realized much more quickly than we would expect with an oil based (esterified) preparation. It is also important to remember that 100mg of a testosterone ester is not equivalent to 100mg testosterone of pure testosterone (as in suspension). When an ester is present, its weight is obviously included in the preparation"s milligram total. Looking at Testosterone enanthate, 100mg of this compound equates to only 72mg of raw testosterone. So the bodybuilder who uses 400mg of enanthate weekly is really getting about 288mg of testosterone into his body each week. This is clearly a great increase over the endogenous testosterone level of the average male, which is in the range of 2.5 to 11 mg per day. But the general point is that during a cycle of Testosterone suspension we will often see a much more dramatic intake of testosterone
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[Newchain]

By far my most favorite test of all time. I ran it twice, once at 100mg/ed and the second time at 150mg/ed and I can't say enough about it both times. I have to PCT hard when I come off, but for the most part I make great gains. Put it this way....I ran the following 2 cycles:

cycle 1:
1-12 test e 750mg/ew
1-12 eq 600mg/ew
6-12 tren a 50mg/ed
6-12 winny 100mg/ed
*and i think i might have front-loaded some prop

cycle 2:
1-8 susp 100mg/ed
1-4 dbol 40mg/ed

Doesn't matter what my goals are, 10 out of 10 times I would take the second cycle again any day.

[misterbigg]

contrary to popular belief, the microcrystals of this injectable will sustain a maintained testosterone release for 2-3 days.

This is disappointing. I'm more than happy with my testosterone propionate base. Are you sure that suspension elevates test for that long?

I want something that hits me instantly and gets processed fully after just 2 to 3 hours.

And why should gains produced by testosterone disappear? That doesn't make any sense. The testosterone in suspension is no different than esterified testosterone once the ester gets eaten away by esterase.

A lot of stuff in the OP doesn't make sense....help!

[misterbigg]

By the way here is a link the the sean usmc thread referenced above. As you can see, a lot of misconceptions and wrong info about suspension in there:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/138814-test-suspension.html

[declan]

By the way here is a link the the sean usmc thread referenced above. As you can see, a lot of misconceptions and wrong info about suspension in there:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/138814-test-suspension.html

Good find bro. I am doing a little bit of research on suspension lately.

[romayn6969]

i use to have a very close friend that is a surgeon who hooked me up with gear from a liscensed US compounding pharmacy.. i use to get test. suspension alot.. i would run 100-150mg/day with winny 100 mg/day for months on end... fucking awesome period!!!!I did alot of cardio along with heavy lifting..i did not bloat that much and i was fucking huge and strong!!!
Boy do i miss the DOC!!!!!

[madmike925]

Thats it. I'm ordering some right now so that I can run this shit. I have always wanted to try it. And now you guys have talked me in to it.

[Lemmy]

I just got a couple of vials based on MrBigg's reports on using it for pre-workout aggression, but now I'm a little confused. I guess there's only one way to find out.

I'm also curious about injection technique. MrBigg reported using slin pins. Does this mean that it doesn't strictly have to be IM shots, or is it still best to go deep?

[madmike925]

I just got a couple of vials based on MrBigg's reports on using it for pre-workout aggression, but now I'm a little confused. I guess there's only one way to find out.

I'm also curious about injection technique. MrBiggs reported using slin pins. Does this mean that it doesn't strictly have to be IM shots, or is it still best to go deep?

Best to go deep...You don't want to creat an absess. And I don't see how you can use a slin pin with any suspension reason being how do you get it to pass threw the smaller guage needle? If you are able to even draw it up the syringe would probably only contain the water and little to no crystals. A 23 guage is the smallest I have ever been able to use.

[Tyler Durden]

I've been using it about a week now I'm fucking loving it. Strength is certainly increased, but I've also noticed a big improvement in my recovery between sets. I feel like I can lift all day on this stuff.

I've just been doing standard IM injections with a 25g needle

[gator_mclusky]

By the way here is a link the the sean usmc thread referenced above. As you can see, a lot of misconceptions and wrong info about suspension in there:

http://www.steroidology.com/forum/anabolic-steroid-forum/138814-test-suspension.html

I go by experience. I use Test Suspension and inj. eod with great results. It says it acts immediately and last 2-3 days.

Once again I see no misconceptions other than some that have posted on there but not in the article. eod works just fine and it would seem peeps should be happy with the quick onset and the lasting time of up to 3 days.

I get bigger on Test Suspension than any other injectables.

[Lemmy]

Well I just popped my Test Suspension cherry and that shit ain't never gonna pass through no goddamn slin pin! It clogged up a 25g immediately. After pinning my bicep twice (pulled out to try and unclog) I switched to glute and a 23g and even that gave me some grief. I got a cramp in my trap from twisting around and trying to jiggle the plunger with both hands and when it finally shot through it came so fast it stung like a bitch! I guess I'll have to use 22g next time. :(

[misterbigg]

I'm also curious about injection technique. MrBigg reported using slin pins. Does this mean that it doesn't strictly have to be IM shots, or is it still best to go deep?

I used an insulin needle but that only works on the outer thigh, where there the skin is very thin before you hit muscle. I've switched to 25g shorties (5/8") to both draw and inject suspension. I use special 1cc luer lock syringes and fill the remainder of the syringe with liquid vitamin b-12 after drawing the dose of suspension.

I switched from insulin needles because with luer lock syringes I can inject with a fresh needle and that makes it less painful and error prone.

You definitely want to go deep IM.

I've been using it about a week now I'm fucking loving it. Strength is certainly increased, but I've also noticed a big improvement in my recovery between sets. I feel like I can lift all day on this stuff.

I've just been doing standard IM injections with a 25g needle

This is consistent with my results. How much are you shooting?

And I don't see how you can use a slin pin with any suspension reason being how do you get it to pass threw the smaller guage needle? If you are able to even draw it up the syringe would probably only contain the water and little to no crystals. A 23 guage is the smallest I have ever been able to use.

Good test suspension is micronized (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Micronization). Pure Performance Pharma's suspension is definitely micronized because it flies through a 29g with no problems.

Well I just popped my Test Suspension cherry and that shit ain't never gonna pass through no goddamn slin pin! It clogged up a 25g immediately.

Whose/which suspension are you using?

[Lemmy]

Hey Biggie, I'm using DK Aquatest. I have no idea whether or not it's micronized, but the crystals settle in the vial within seconds. I see you dilute with B12 and that may be the solution, to thin out the soup so to speak. I was really hoping to use the 5/8 25g pins, they're so thin and painless I could shoot pretty much anywhere the fat layer is thin enough (on me that would be quads, delts, bis & tris). I might try and dilute with some bac water on the next go.

[misterbigg]

Hey Biggie, I'm using DK Aquatest.

Google for DK Aquatest and you will find reports galore that it clogs needles and hurts like a bitch.

[Ghost]

Google for DK Aquatest and you will find reports galore that it clogs needles and hurts like a bitch.

Not to mention I have read many reports of it being under filled. Its supposed to be 30mls last I remember.

[misterbigg]

Sometimes even when drawing micronized suspension it might clump a little bit, the solution is to push the plunger back up a little bit, give it a shake, and then continue drawing, this usually fixes it.

[Tyler Durden]

This is consistent with my results. How much are you shooting?


I started out at 50mg and have kinda ramped up to see how I'd react...100 seems to be right on the money for me.

[misterbigg]

I started out at 50mg and have kinda ramped up to see how I'd react...100 seems to be right on the money for me.

I got the exact same results. It will be interesting to see the results of my next blood test because there has got to be an increase in aromatization even though I am at 100mg proviron per day.

[Access]

Great thread developed here guys.

Well you even have me taking the plunge with Suspension. I have avoided for ever only due to the thought I would suffer from injection pain on Suspension given how I react to Winny but I have some in transit to me now and should be taking my first hit within the next few days.

:D

[Lemmy]

I just did my 2nd injection with DK Aquatest, and I'm happy to report that diluting 50/50 with NaCl took care of the clogging problem as well as the pain.

Injection was 100% painless and the suspension flowed quite easily through a 23g needle. Tomorrow I'll try a 25g shorty and see how it goes.

I have to say I'm relieved, because I'll be taking this 4x/week for the next 6 weeks and I wasn't looking forward to the hassle and hurt.

[misterbigg]

I have avoided for ever only due to the thought I would suffer from injection pain on Suspension given how I react to Winny

I know everyone is different but for me personally...prop pain is about 25 times worse than suspension pain. For suspension its just like a mild soreness, hardly distinguishable from normal soreness from a workout.

Today I did 100mg suspension in addition to my regular stack and...just wow, the biggest workout I have ever had in my entire life. I was literally curled in a fetal position on the floor after every set. Did legs, started with squats then explosive dumbell walking lunges, then leg press, isolated leg curl (machine), seated calf raises.

I had so much more strength on my squats and lunges from the previous week it was ridiculous. Once again, more weight and reps on my FIRST set than even the highest weight / reps of the previous week!

Definitely the most painful workout ever..legs were shaking and I had to hold on to stuff just to remain standing.

Came home and ate a couple of poached tenderloins and fell asleep for two hours.

[Tyler Durden]

I know everyone is different but for me personally...prop pain is about 25 times worse than suspension pain. For suspension its just like a mild soreness, hardly distinguishable from normal soreness from a workout.


That's what I was saying until I injected 100mg into my delt (was just doing glutes) now I've had a nice painful lump for the past two days :D

[madmike925]

I can't wait to try this shit. You guys have me going on it.

[Access]

I know everyone is different but for me personally...prop pain is about 25 times worse than suspension pain. For suspension its just like a mild soreness, hardly distinguishable from normal soreness from a workout.

Today I did 100mg suspension in addition to my regular stack and...just wow, the biggest workout I have ever had in my entire life. I was literally curled in a fetal position on the floor after every set. Did legs, started with squats then explosive dumbell walking lunges, then leg press, isolated leg curl (machine), seated calf raises.

I had so much more strength on my squats and lunges from the previous week it was ridiculous. Once again, more weight and reps on my FIRST set than even the highest weight / reps of the previous week!

Definitely the most painful workout ever..legs were shaking and I had to hold on to stuff just to remain standing.

Came home and ate a couple of poached tenderloins and fell asleep for two hours.


What time frame are you shooting before a workout?

It's interesting isn't it how we react differently to gear from one person to the next. I get virtually no pain from any prop I have run at all.

I'm excited to try Suspension now. Loved this thread for that reason alone.

[Conan202]

been around for awhile and NEVER tried supension. have always wanted to but never did due to having good luck with cyp and prop all the time. Im am def gonna throw it into my nxt cycle though to try it out i cant wait anymore i read the pain is worse then prop somtimes is this true? and if so is it dilutible as prop is?

Thanks Conan

[misterbigg]

What time frame are you shooting before a workout?

Exactly one hour.

Im am def gonna throw it into my nxt cycle though to try it out i cant wait anymore i read the pain is worse then prop somtimes is this true? and if so is it dilutible as prop is?

Well I guess everyone is different you will have to find out for yourself. I mix mine with liquid vitamin B-12, it definitely helps with the pain.

....

To be honest I am a little concerned with excess aromatization now that I am using these elevated doses of suspension. I'm thinking of going to 0.25mg arimidex every day instead of every other day. Or a 0.5mg tab every other day (have some EDS 1mg tabs laying around).

[madmike925]

For some reason I always thought it was used as a cutter. I guess I should have researched it:) But like Conan said it will deff be used in my next cycle. Question to Misterbigg should I do it everyday or just an hour before each workout whch would equal 5 x a week.Thanks!!

[Newchain]

Great thread developed here guys.

Well you even have me taking the plunge with Suspension. I have avoided for ever only due to the thought I would suffer from injection pain on Suspension given how I react to Winny but I have some in transit to me now and should be taking my first hit within the next few days.

:D
i was also skeptical at first when it came to the pain, but i never had problems with it......actually, i've never had painful injections with anything.....prop, suspension, tren ace, etc. maybe i'm just lucky :D

[misterbigg]

For some reason I always thought it was used as a cutter. I guess I should have researched it:) But like Conan said it will deff be used in my next cycle. Question to Misterbigg should I do it everyday or just an hour before each workout whch would equal 5 x a week.Thanks!!

I can't imagine doing a cycle based entirely on suspension you would need to shoot at least twice a day and blood levels would fluctuate wildly. Plus like I said I think that there is a lot of aromatization going on, likely because so much testosterone is getting in the blood at once. At least with esterified testosterone there is a time release. If you read up on suspension you see that reports of bloat and loss of gains afterwards are almost universal. This sounds a lot like excess estrogen to me.

I think that suspension is useful for getting a more productive workout, i.e. deeper inroads into muscle fatigue. So using it only before a workout, on top of your existing ester based stack, seems to be the way to go.

If you are working out 5 times per week though I don't think you can go with a 100mg dose every time. Thats an extra 500mg of test per week! I would carefully consider the implications of the additional testosterone. Aromatization would be a problem and if you are prone to side effects from test I imagine they would be amplified.

One option is to reduce the dosage of esterified testosterone to compensate for the increase in suspension. You could cut 200mg from your regular weekly stack and run 75mg of suspension 5 days per week that is an increase of only 175mg test per week, certainly better than 500mg.

I'm facing a similar problem myself since this week I have decided to go from workouts 3x per week to 5x per week. My recovery time seems greatly improved especially on small to mid sized muscles and I feel like I am wasting some of my cycle.

[gator_mclusky]

For some reason I always thought it was used as a cutter. I guess I should have researched it:) But like Conan said it will deff be used in my next cycle. Question to Misterbigg should I do it everyday or just an hour before each workout whch would equal 5 x a week.Thanks!!

I have a Mr. louisiana I train with on occasion and with proper diet he stacked Suspension and Winstrol and took the Trophy.

We were doing the same dosages and I was on Winstrol to but I was eating to bulk. I swole up sweet as can be and he was super cut with full muscle bellies that were unreal!

So it has a dual purpose. I prefer to bulk because I like being bulked up and eating what I want.

gator

[gator_mclusky]

I can't imagine doing a cycle based entirely on suspension you would need to shoot at least twice a day and blood levels would fluctuate wildly. Plus like I said I think that there is a lot of aromatization going on, likely because so much testosterone is getting in the blood at once. At least with esterified testosterone there is a time release. If you read up on suspension you see that reports of bloat and loss of gains afterwards are almost universal. This sounds a lot like excess estrogen to me.

I think that suspension is useful for getting a more productive workout, i.e. deeper inroads into muscle fatigue. So using it only before a workout, on top of your existing ester based stack, seems to be the way to go.

If you are working out 5 times per week though I don't think you can go with a 100mg dose every time. Thats an extra 500mg of test per week! I would carefully consider the implications of the additional testosterone. Aromatization would be a problem and if you are prone to side effects from test I imagine they would be amplified.

One option is to reduce the dosage of esterified testosterone to compensate for the increase in suspension. You could cut 200mg from your regular weekly stack and run 75mg of suspension 5 days per week that is an increase of only 175mg test per week, certainly better than 500mg.

I'm facing a similar problem myself since this week I have decided to go from workouts 3x per week to 5x per week. My recovery time seems greatly improved especially on small to mid sized muscles and I feel like I am wasting some of my cycle.

That is debatable. Ive used it several times at 100 mgs eod and had amazing gains. From experience I just dont believe that it needs to be injected 2x a day. It even states it last 2-3 days in the article my friend.

Respectfully,

Gator

[Access]

i was also skeptical at first when it came to the pain, but i never had problems with it......actually, i've never had painful injections with anything.....prop, suspension, tren ace, etc. maybe i'm just lucky :D

How about winny injects? I don't get pain from anything either but winny injects cripple me.

[Newchain]

How about winny injects? I don't get pain from anything either but winny injects cripple me.
never went through winny injects....didn't see the point of going through the pain of injection when u can just as easily drink it. never went through EQ prop either for that matter (fast acting eq)....heard that was a bitch as well. i also tried some high concentrated test (t500), but i was mixing it with prop and shooting in the same syringe so..

[Access]

That is debatable. Ive used it several times at 100 mgs eod and had amazing gains. From experience I just dont believe that it needs to be injected 2x a day. It even states it last 2-3 days in the article my friend.

Respectfully,

Gator

I agree with gator here. From my understanding early versions of Suspension were not made with the micro-crystals today's Suspension is. The micro-crystals do delay the release of Suspension somewhat and although you can't really apply a true half life to Suspension because of this it would most likely be at least a day before all the cyrstals have dissolved. Given it would take a day for this to happen you should then have good Suspension
blood levels for 2-3 days at which time they would tend to drop off pretty dramatically.

Knowing the above I see no reason why you could not run a cycle with Suspension if you wished but I would suggest ED injects would be the ideal way to go to take full advantage of it. Realise to that with a 100mg injection of Suspension your getting 100mgs of test so it will be potent and associated sides more probable when compared to an esterfied oil based test. I would certainly keep an eye on estrogen if I were to cycle Suspension even though I am not overly susceptible to estrogen sides anyway as aromatization with Suspension is likely to be pretty high.

[Lemmy]

Just did my 3rd inject of DK Aquatest and I'm thoroughly relieved. At 50/50 dilution it flowed very nicely through a 5/8" 25g for a virtually painless delt shot. So no need to be afraid of the DK brand, and it's dirt cheap to boot.

[madmike925]

Just did my 3rd inject of DK Aquatest and I'm thoroughly relieved. At 50/50 dilution it flowed very nicely through a 5/8" 25g for a virtually painless delt shot. So no need to be afraid of the DK brand, and it's dirt cheap to boot.

Sweet thanks for the info Lemmy

[Access]

Did my first Suspension inject yesterday and first impressions are not that great to be honest.

Firstly I could not get the inejction done becasue damn thing kept blocking a 23 gauge pin. I mixed the Suspension with a little Mast thinking it might help with pain but damn I could not get the shit out. Hit my delt and was pushing like crazy and nothing. Pulled it out and unblocked it and then hit my glute. Still blocked up again. Went through the same procedure and tried again and still nothing. Then I changed to an 18 gauge "harpoon" and this worked fine.

Went to gym about and hour later and for the most part didn't feel anything different of anything liked I had hoped for based on the talk in this thread to date. Guess I will keep at it as is only one injection and see what comes of it. Think next injection will be with some NaCL based on Lemmy's experiences and hopefully that will keep the mixture from blocking up the pin.

[Lemmy]

Yeah dilute it with some bac water or NaCl for sure, it made all the difference in the world. My first shot I was humping around with a 23g in my ass that I couldn't unclog for shit! Now I'm actually looking forward to my shots.

I think part of the trick is to shake up the syringe immediately (seconds) prior to injecting to keep the crystals evenly dispersed in the suspension to avoid clogging.

[G1972]

Just did my 3rd inject of DK Aquatest and I'm thoroughly relieved. At 50/50 dilution it flowed very nicely through a 5/8" 25g for a virtually painless delt shot. So no need to be afraid of the DK brand, and it's dirt cheap to boot.

Good to hear man. I got 4 vials of this stuff in my safe deposit box and was concerned after hearing horror stories about the pain.

[Access]

I should add no pain at all with my shot or now a day after, so very happy with that and somewhat surprised given how winny injects used to kill me.

[misterbigg]

I'm still using suspension and my strength keeps going through the roof every time I hit the gym. I'm using PPP's suspension.

Although I finally figured out that, at least for me, I need to stop shooting it into my deltoids. It makes them sore and the muscle gets hard at the attachment and is generally uncomfortable.

[Access]

Three shots of Suspension before training now and noticed nothing at all. I am guessing due to the fact I am on Prop daily is having a bearing on this so probably going to skip the Suspension for now and maybe use it when I am on a cycle with longer esters and try.

[madmike925]

Three shots of Suspension before training now and noticed nothing at all. I am guessing due to the fact I am on Prop daily is having a bearing on this so probably going to skip the Suspension for now and maybe use it when I am on a cycle with longer esters and try.

Whos suspension are you running bro? Just curious. But I do agree with you you probably havnt noticed anything because of the Prop.

[Access]

Same as misterbigg..PPP.

[fcpcjc]

Access.. Gator!!!! Whats up guys!!!

Sorry to hijack.. im done now lol

couldnt help but to say hey to 2 of my fav. bro's!

[researchguy]

hehe, im hijacking too..whats up guys:D

btw, what about doing 50mg susp, along with 50mg prop ed? not really sure on my reasoning, just wonderin what you guys thought bout doin it like that, to keep aromitization down

[Surveyor]

hehe, im hijacking too..whats up guys:D

btw, what about doing 50mg susp, along with 50mg prop ed? not really sure on my reasoning, just wonderin what you guys thought bout doin it like that, to keep aromitization down

What's up RG? Good to have you over here at TSC!

Your question sounds like a good one, but a painful one :eek:.

[researchguy]

What's up RG? Good to have you over here at TSC!

Your question sounds like a good one, but a painful one :eek:.


ehh, i dont get much pain from the prop, the only thing is i feel like a friggin pincusion right now, today is the last day of my cycle, 75mg test p ed. im kinda lookin forward to not havin to jab a pin in me every friggin day for awhile:cool: but the more i hear about test susp, the more i want to try it, thats why i was considering 50mg prop/50mg susp ed. its hard to give up my prop:D

[joe d]

i want to try the suspention to but i cant get myself to try pinning anything other than my quads and delts. im on 300mg prop eod now and it doesnt really bother me either. if i could reach my glutes or get my girl to stop being such a wus id be ok.

[needtobuildmuscle.com]

I fucking love suspension

[Corpsman]

I have a question. I had always thought that you inject suspension. I used it once in my very first cycle with test E. I injected eod. Can you drink suspension? All of them? Some of them? Asking because I posted about a sources supensions and asked about eod injects. I was told to drink them. I know you can with winni. But all suspensions or no? Thanks

[Access]

Test Suspension cannot be taken orally. It is designed for injection. You need something to be processed by c-17 alpha alkylated (17aa) which then enables it to be somewhat bypassed by the liver and remain active upon entering the bloodstream. Taking suspension orally would mean the liver would all but make the test useless.

[Corpsman]

Thats what I thought. The source has his gear listed as suspensions so I asked about the injects. I was told to drink them. I think maybe he should have listed the gear as liquid orals? I was getting confused there for a minute.
Thanks Access.

[johnanthonyhome]

I have a question. I had always thought that you inject suspension. I used it once in my very first cycle with test E. I injected eod. Can you drink suspension? All of them? Some of them? Asking because I posted about a sources supensions and asked about eod injects. I was told to drink them. I know you can with winni. But all suspensions or no? Thanks
There are sublingual preparations made from test base, which absorb thru the pineal gland which can show effective levels, because they dont make the first pass thru the liver. usualy 4 x daily dosing.

[johnanthonyhome]

Hmmmm, suspension, Npp, Dbol, slin. Hmmmm indeed

[themav37]

bad ass thread!

[source sniper]

Hey guys yes i am sean usmc so feel free to ask anything and gator is my good friend...im glad to be here

[XKawN916]

looks interesting. i'm curious as to how you stack it, though. i'm a newb pretty much in the learning faze so tiz why i'll be sounding like an aas idiot. would this be stacked on top of oil based test? could folks give examples of a cycle with pct. also, is this more of a product for folks with experience under thier belt??? thanks. don't get me wrong, i'm not gonna run out and get some. just trying to understand...

[johnanthonyhome]

looks interesting. i'm curious as to how you stack it, though. i'm a newb pretty much in the learning faze so tiz why i'll be sounding like an aas idiot. would this be stacked on top of oil based test? could folks give examples of a cycle with pct. also, is this more of a product for folks with experience under thier belt??? thanks. don't get me wrong, i'm not gonna run out and get some. just trying to understand...Glad you are asking the right questions. And the answer is yes to all. Many of us have ran a long estered tes in the background, with a short(or no) ester up front. Some folks like to run a cycle comprised of all short estered compounds. For a size/strength gain Example: Suspension, npp, dbol. A power lifter might like to run something like this for a dry strength gain: suspension, anavar ( or winstrol) . For sheer mass, many will run all long esters: Cypionate, Deca, Dbol. The major diference with various test esters is two fold 1) longer esters have more time to aromatise before they are metabolised and 2) shorter esters seem to have a lot more punch, partialy due to the fact that per miligram there is more hormone, and less ester weight. Many also feel that the faster release hits the AR harder-I strongly agree.

[misterbigg]

longer esters have more time to aromatise before they are metabolised

I don't think this is correct.

Esterified testosterone is not bioavailable, and unaffected by aromatase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aromatase). Before an ester of testosterone can aromatise or be attached to the androgen receptor it needs to have the ester cleaved off by the esterase (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esterase) enzyme. Every time the esterase enzyme bumps into the molecule, it chops off one carbon atom group. The longer the ester, the more reactions are required to get to the base hormone and therefore, the longer the half life.

[XKawN916]

so if one would run both oil based and suspension would you bump down the amount of oil based to counter the amount of suspension. like say run 75mg suspension a day and then only run a few hundred mg of oil based a week on top??? at that point your looking at close to a thousand mg of test a week not to mention some of the other compounds. and then would it be optimal just to do this for the first few weeks till' the oil based test kicks in and then dump the suspension???


thanks

[misterbigg]

I only used suspension pre-workout. It seems like a pain in the ass to try to base an entire cycle around suspension. Using it just before a weight lifting session, boosts your strength and lets you squeeze a little bit more weight or a few more reps from each set and therefore (in my opinion) lets you make deeper inroads into muscle fatigue. I think this helps you grow.

I was taking 100mg of testosterone propionate every day so thats 700mg/week. When I added suspension it was 75mg or 100mg, taken 3 times per week (I lifted 3 days out of the week).

[gator_mclusky]

Ive been using it 100 mgs eod and I have to say there is no other steroid on the planet that can give the out of control sex drive and it's the strongest Injectable on the planet for size and strength as well. Im planning on at least 10 wks and I hate to switch then.

I am loving Suspension. Its been like 3-4 yrs since Ive done it and I cant believe Ive waited this long. On a scale of 1-10 I give it an 8. It would be a 10 if the gains were more keepable but the spike in the sex drive is phenominal!!!!!!

Its about the funnest ride on a cycle IMO besides real Cheque Drops which are no more......

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[jaxon214]

Might have to try this. Sounds good!